Ok so pretty much everyone says it is a winner and I agree. I have been looking up bullets 120 grain to be specific and one bullet really stood out , it is probably not very popular but it has great SD and BC and its performance is unquestioned. Swift A frame 120 grainer...I think I will play with a run of the mill 120 grain bullet(Hornady) and practice practice practice this offseason and work up a hunting load for theaframe. No use fiirng expensive bullets into a sandbank.