There are a lot of outfitters out there that are reasonable but the one's that charge 15-20k and are no kill no pay are high fence hunts and those are the ones that I do not understand. I was at the Sacremento Cal sportsman show a few weeks back and I was talking to a young guy that has 20,000 acre high fence elk hunt for 20k no lic or tags but it's like going to a cattle ranch and picking out the biggest bull a shooting it how much fun is that? This kid told me that he has even shoot the bull for the hunter before. He had a dvd running on a TV and there was a hunting showthat a few weeks before I seen the same hunt on the outdoor network on the TV show it took one shot on the real dvd this pro hunter missed twice and then it took four more shots put this 7x7 bull down I wish I could remeber the huters show and name I never laughed so much standing at that diplay an hearing this young man telling the story while I was watching the real show not the edited one