I hear ya Quick, I have been looking for a few years now, and havnt found 1 yet. But it is a good reason to be out there. The thing that gets me, is that the average buck for around here is either a small 8, that will be lucky to go 70", or a small 6. I see this size buck year after year, and let them walk, just to see the same size deer the next year. I just dont get it.[&o]