We made up my mind,next week end weather permiting,i'm going to hamburg,pa..and will come back with the 4 rifles and scopes...Maybe I can brib the boys to cut next winters wood for me....If my daughter hunted I would have to get 5 of them rifles...I am going to let them get their own bullets,lol.....There goes the wifes new washer-dryer money....Oh well... 4 newtrimuphs is better than nothing......I called and they have them and will hold for me...