I'm becoming jealous as seems to be an awefullot of out of the box/factory ammo shooter that shoot MOA or less on the south side of the 49th. Always knew we were getting screwed on the prices up herebut didn't realize we also were getting the seconds[]!Or maybe we just can't shoot as well up here. Something as my experience doesn't mirror most here. If you get 1.5" groups out of youroutof the box rifle and off the shelf ammo you should be pleased. Shooting 1" or less groups consistently is good and I just haven't seen it be the norm likeother have here. The only 1" out of the box rifle/factory ammoI own is a 17hmr. I own several others but they have all been tweaked and load developed to equal or better MOA. Just my experience.