sabotloader,

That was what I was thinking that they were HPH12's. I'll order some HPH24's and try them. I didn't have "original" as I bought the bullets in bulk. I don't have the original package for the sabots either so I'm just guessing. I'll get some 24's.

I'm saveing the one's you sent me for the Omega workout once the snow is gone.

If the 24's don't work I'll take a boo at the crushribs.