I preciate the info benhuntin. I hunt in northeast ga. around augusta, so its fairly hilly with a couple of flat places. All I can hunt while im in school is public land(2yrs now) so Ive been trying to figure out how to beat the masses, if you know what i mean. I had some birds patterened before season, so I wanted to let my wife get her first bird. Opening sat, 20 steps-miss. 30 min. later. I had a shot and she didnt because it was too thick--no go. Next day, 24 steps---she was too nervous to hold the gun still so she didnt shoot. But, even with all these birds, there are people less than 100yds. away calling their heart out. I hope the midday hunts are less crowded! Thanks.