Great solution Pavo....I'll file that one away for later.... Coors don't feel bad I once doubled loaded my muzzle loader at the public range. Someone asked me a question about a scope, I went to help, came back and couldn't figure out why my range rod stopped short. I always mark my range rod where it should stop when you push a load down. I knew what I did instantly. No more shooting for that day. Had to pack up,drive 30miles back home,pound out the loads with a brass rod I hadlaying around.