I do remember when P@Y was set at nothing more then 65% let off for years and also when they didn't allow the release. I voted against the use of both being I was a member, money and big companies forced the P@Y to allow these things into the new world of bow hunting. Do I like it? No, but its something I'm going to have to except weather I like it or not! Its the new way now of bow hunting, I just hope it doesn't go any further then it has.