I answered thePM Mike. I do enjoy the elk hunting but the 3 of us did a DIY complete with 3 day drive from Vermont. The NL hunt is guide mandatory due to the laws there. I have been to Colorado the last 2 years anddid it all ourselves. We filled 5 out of 6 tags without a guide. The bulls weren't in the 320 class but there is something about a DIY hunt that is rewarding.