Gra8, I call him a kid because I'm older than his dad. The kid was 24 or something like that. His dad wanted to get into bow hunting with him but they couldn't afford to spend the money for a new bow. He'd been out of work for a long time. When he surprised his dad with the bow his dad went all blubbery. Couldn't believe a total stranger would do something like that. He practiced hard but last I knew did not get a deer last year, as of Dec 07. I lost track of him now. They were from PA.