thanx...i glue often in there....and something like this that i care about a little more than shelves and gun racks and other things i made in there i will put the time in it and do it properly....tscott...it sure is hard sometimes and time consuming and they dont always look great but they sure do sing better than most mass production ones....i think im going to order some various wood dowels to make my own with...it will be nothing to cut them and put a top on them and call it done...i thought about getting a lathe of my own but i decided i will need something to do when im older and not into the hobbies i am now...and woodworking will definently be one of mine...so i will save the fancy stuff for later...but until then using my knife works fine...and getting some diffrent woods i cant find in dowles will make it easier...i cut 2 out tonite speaking of whittling wiht a knife...someone on here recomended i use a branch from a tree the size of the striker back...i got 2 choke cherries tonite...they sing nice...thanx whoever recomended i try that i cant remember but it works..only thing i found some woods that are still on branches have a soft core....i thought that would make a problem so i didnt use them woods....i have apple drying for tomarow or next week....cnat wait to turn mine in shop! i will tell you guys how it turns out....thanx...i never thought a soft wood would work to well....thanx..