John-you sound like an ok guy. You seem to miss the point on the negative comments. That is WHY? I only hunt high country and love to elk hunt. That being said I could fill my bull tag when I' m lucky enough to draw on the first day of every hunt. I always manage to see a 6x or better bull in the first two days at 500 to 1000 yards. So what is the big deal killing it at this range if any rope a dope can do it? If everyone took these kind of shots we would definitely have a shorter season and fewer tags as there would be a higher success rate. I just don' t see your point in making this a hunting subject when it is more suited to consistently hitting at distance on the range. No challenge in the kill if joe city can do it with little or no effort. ????