i am seeing different things than ,somewhat anyhow.

first, hunters dont come here like 30 years ago, you can see that in clinton/potter county.

its do to lack of deer.no other REASON

but i saw more hunters in clinton county/potter than i did in number of years.

so, i had to investigate.

most i saw were crews driving.
i wondered why all of sudden in last few years all these crews are back.most were from out of area too.

well, it was easy to see, most had 4 to 7 hunters under age of 17..

i have not seen that in years..

i know what is driving it too,its the BIDWKT.

its ONLY reason.

as for archery, just opposite ,it was almost all old farts like me hunting everyday, not 1 kid i saw with bow,not 1.

but in rifle season,lots of kids and some took off school ALL WEEK.they drove same drives ,over and over.
most crews got 5 small buck and hardly any doe for whole week of hunting.

some crews never saw deer for 3 days.

if i had to put average of crews who drove all week with 15/18 hunters, i would say they got average of 3 bucks and 1 doe,i heard 1 crew got 5 buck for 2 weeks of hard hunting and 2 doe.
another crew got 1 small buck..

most of the bucks i saw were very small horns,few nice ones but 90% were spikes or 4 points.