I cant figure out whos who. Is Bowfanatic Pinwheel. I assume so. Great response none the less. Nothing but facts. Almost makes me want to run out and buy a twin again. You know my feeling on the creeping issue. Why cover up a form flaw or mental error. Fix it. It doesnt make any more sense to me than cutting off all the fingers of your bow hand, because every once in a while you tend to regrab. As far as shoulder problems, I think most archers will eventually have some at one time or another. Doesnt matter if its a recurve or a single. I do see your point. A single is more apt to cause problems. But a twin is more likely to cause more problems than a wheely. If pain were really a concern, wed all be shooting wheelies or Oniedas. Not trying to argue Pin, just not in total agreement.