In 1998 I did it with flint with cedar wrapped in deer tendons....that same year I lost a 170+ 10 point and I lost my mind....Since 1998 I've only taken a few doe and a spike with my stick bow....I lost that once in a life time shot with my stick...I know its a rocky topic to discuss......but I just wanted to go back to high tech...I'll never forget that night....I have not seen another deer in the wild that would even touch 140...let alone 170....that spot was a secret spot that I have lost because the land owners moved...Livingston County, Michigan. The 10 foot radius that he stood in reaked like tinks after I got down to study my shot......the body on him was like nothing I'd ever seen....I gotta get off this subject..........