I must confess that John has posted with a lot of class and patience. I am actually starting to believe that he is on the level. John, you have to have been here long enough to see that anyone can claim anything on here anonomously. Many hoaxes have been put forth in the past. Looking at your website, I would say I will probably eat crow and say I was wrong about your honesty about the show.

However, I believe that there are too many kids and and even adults that will see your show that will go out and try shots of 800 yards without the rifles and training you have/give. There are too many people now that take 5-600 yard shots that shouldn' t. I hope that you stress that making an 800 yard shot is difficult and has to be done only within VERY, VERY strict guidelines. Even so, when someone starts to believe that he can make such a shot, and sees a trophy bull at 800 yards and the wind is blowing a little, the bull is at a 30 degree down angle, etc., how many of them are going to pass? All mistakes are twice as bad at 800 as 400 yards.

Something that has been mostly ignored in this conversation so far is the type of rifle that is required for such a shot. How many foot lbs. do you feel you need to kill an elk? A 7mm 150 gr bullet fired at 3400 fps has 1800-1900 ft lbs at 500 yards. How much does it have left at 800? I doubt it is over 1000-1200 ft lbs. Still enough to kill an elk cleanly if the shot goes slightly off? I am not so sure.