All this talk of 800 yds or the " prairie boy" who says he shoots elk a nearly a 1 and 1/5 miles. (That one I don' t believe.) Not that it is physically impossible under absolutely perfect conditions, with a solid rest and no need to adjust for an animal being up hill or down hill or a dozen other variables, which could through their slug off enough to cripple an amazing animal. It just ain' t worth the risk.

And on top of it, John, you say you' re making hunting programs out of it. What to show everyone else that they can try to do it, too and cripple hundreds of more animals every year?

It all sounds like big ego to me. In my opinion, it' s better to pass up an extremely long or poor shot and enjoy the experience of seeing the animals, whether Elk or deer or other, than taking the higher risk of crippling such an animal. You' ll more often than not get a better opportunity if you do. And if not. What the heck, there is a whole lot more to ethical hunting than the shooting and killing. I think you ultra long lone-rangers need to stop and think about what you' re doing and saying.