I know it kicks harder, but I'm buying a very lightly used 835 this year. My friend is AR about his guns and takes very good care of them. I've probably been with him for every round he fired out of this gun. He wasn't happy with the finish on the barrel when he bought it, had mossberg re-dip it. He also got a cantilever rifled barrel for slugs, dipped it in matching camo, put a nikon scope on it, and it has a Sims recoil pad. I'm paying him $400 for the whole deal. Oh yeah, he's got a pure gold turkey choke too.. I think its a pretty good deal. I've been using my 870, but I have a 28" barrel and that thing is long and heavy to lug around. I LOVE the gun, but I want something shorter and lighter and this 835 might be the ticket for me.