For those of you that advocate a .410, when dove season rolls around, you try using one. Just ain't practical. A young person is already handicapped just for being young and inexperienced.I use buckshot to hunt deer and with a .410 you only get 3 pellets. Some of youmight say use a slug, well alot of clubs here in Virginia only use buckshot for safety reasonsplus when hunting deer with hounds you want buckshot anyway. My 2 cents worth for advocating use of a 20 gauge for youngsters.