I' m in agreement with all you guys on a bolt action vs. any other type. It' s his father we have to convince. I felt happy the other nite when he and I talked when I swayed him away from lever actions. The caliber is a main stickler for us at this point. I think I can move his father toward a good bolt action with all your help. I believe that if I can get enough of you to on my side (which doesn' t seem like it' s going to be too difficult) I/we can sway him towards a bolt. He' s going to be shooting out of a stand over looking a field/feed plot with about 150 yards in front of him