ORIGINAL: Hokieman
ORIGINAL: Bigg~BirddVA
ORIGINAL: eng40sqd
vulture...
If you would take a minute to read all of my posts on all the threads regarding this subject(forgive me I do post on seveal other boards so I might not have put all of it on here) you will see that I grew up a still hunter and am still a huge still hunter, I spend countless hours putting in food plots, scouting and shed hunting, moving and placing stands and all things that go with it and so on, not o mention the money I spend for the purpose of still hunting. I have had numerous hunts disturbed by rouge dogs and whole packs that were chasing deer and or foxes and oncea coyote. I know whats its like to sit thee and during the golden hour before sunset to have the silence broken and a evening shot to hell. I have also been still hunting and had dogs come through and not too long later had other deer that were bumped by the dogs come sneaking by heading back the way the dogs came from and gotten to harvest them. so YES I do know what he is talking about.
I also know the amont of money that I spend on my dogs such as food (which I am a dealer and it is still insane the cost of it) kennel up keep, meds and wormers (just finished my monthly worming and it costs me about $60 just to worm them to keep them healthy) plus rabies and other vet bills. Plus the tracking equipment costs and upkeep etc etc... not to mention the gas involved in that as well.. all in the of season which is jan thourgh nov.. plus the time I spend with pups in rabbit and fox pens trying to strart them but keep them from picking up bad habits. I do have about half of my dogs who will run the hair off of a fox or a yote so I will take them out and fox hunt them during the summer but generally when oct gets here mine are in the pen until opening day because thats the way it is suppose to be.
I am all for a sit down and reach a middle ground approach (once again refer to my other posts). I see you and many others say this but what have you done toward that other than just type it. Have you taken time to speak to local landowners both that allow hunting (all types) and those that dont, have you talked to other still hunters and still hunting groups in your area? What about dog hunters one at a time and or in group settings? WHat about your local consevation officer and state biologist? I have done a few things in every one of these questions... not saying I have talked to everyone by anymeans but I have made a start... and did this back at the end of last simmer when I started doing this and I am continuing to do so. All of this with the intent to have our own little focus groups to reach middle ground. I am also workign on putting a still hunt only club together and have some land leads to go with.. some with no dog hunting near them and some with very little dog pressure around, once I see i have a group of good and sincere people I will move forward with that/. I have run a rather large club so I already have most of the things in place except people. Rick has actually been on one of the tracts I am going to go after.
Justin
And others that don't dog chase get all their hunting for free and spend little to nothing right? We have a one way street going here. Dogs interfering with others on their land and zero legal recourse to stop it. The poaching and tresspassing is just a dog chasers whining lame attempt to justify what they do. There are laws for illegal human activity last time I checked. There are no laws to stop hounds from chasing white tailed foxes during bow or ML season on land they don't pay for. When do things even up or stop? This whole thing is just the offenders moaning and groaning that their free ride to do as they please 24/7 365 is going to stop. Talked to an AC officer that is also a dog chaser. Was calling the county AC on another forum to show Hokieman that his BS story that dogs can be controled is just that BS. Anyway this officer says he doesn't run out of season and also bow hunts and hates to hear them running out of season. Went on to say time for change is now and it's coming. Says he sees a lot the dog chasers do wrong. Said when the laws get changed the dog chasers will only have 1 person to blame - themselves. Another in enforecment that sees whats wrong and wants it fixed. I have no problems with dog chasers doing their hunt when it's their season and they stay on their own lands. This happens too few times. since the dog chasers can't stop themselves the state has stepped in. What ever happens will be the begining of change. Where it goes no one knows but it is finally starting.
No it is not BS. Does the landowner who you lease off of have a problem with these dogs as well? or is it just you.
Uh.......... the land owner leased the hunting rights to us. He's not there at all. I've asked and as a leasee you have the same rights to call for illegal activities as the owner. The answer is yes. Gee didn't see anywhere in the many quotes on dog laws that it only applies to the owner of the lands. More trying to cloud the issue with useless irrelevant BS. Again state laws allow for the chase to continue onto others lands. They're legally hunting "foxes". Legal hunting dogs are not considered nuisance animals. Come on if such a law was coming down or in existance the dog chasers would have a fit. It's free reign to do as they please and that's half the dog hunting complaints if not more. How many AC departments do I need to call before you get it? Every one in the state? 2 out of 2 say no. Read the laws and think for once. It's not going to happen like you say.