I havent had a chance to shoot either yet but If you wanting a super tough arrow Id look into the PSE carbon force radial x-weave black mamba, and the new trophyridge arrows are suppose to be alot stronger and tougher than most out there. Also like mentioned before the carbon express aramid. The only problem you might run in with going to a super strong arrow is over all weight. Just a thought if it is a factor for you, but deffinetly something to keep in mind when choosing an arrow.