I guess I am from a diffrent breed. I will admit that my 835 in 3 1/2 " does kick, to me it's not bad. I always shoot the heavy loads. My 10 gauge with slugs is a mule kick the the body every time. I always get one new friend that "has to try it" They never want to shoot a 2nd shot. Of course a 2 oz 700 something grain slug will let anyone know. lol