oldelkhunter, I think I made referrence to the fact thatthe Sauer is one of thesub MOA rifles. There are several sub MOA's mentioned in this thread and I think by answering the original post, it is implied that a gun that a responder is recommending is both sub MOA and reliable. That was the original question was it not???? Translation, sub MOA means the rifle is very accurate. Isn't that clear enough??? And yes, there are several others (even Tikka) thatare capable of sub MOA shots consistently for a fraction of the cost of a Sauer.So this leads to the last of your questions that is worth responding to, that your "inquiring mind" wants to know the answer to....would an Alaskan or African guide spend $2700-$3500 on a "pretty" rifle...one that is going to be thrown in the truck and beat around in the bush, when a Tikka for example will kill exactly the same game just as dead as a Sauer will? Geese, grow up!