I found the knight disc extreme SS black composite online for $239.99. I had thought about the elite but we must use open sights during Muzzie season here. This seemed like a good value for the dollar and it leaves some cash for a scope, powder and bullets. I haven't shot it yet because of the weather mainly but I am confident that seeing as how it is a knight it will be a shooter. Here is where I bought it http://www.finfeatherfuroutfitters.com/FFFproducts/item.aspx?item=19941&Cat=58
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