MIne are the two person stand, I think 12 feet at the floor and 15 at the rail. The new one I put up this year I had problems with. One of the sections must have been twisted because everytime I climbed up the ladder twisted and a section came apart.....not good. After determining which one was bad I pulled that one out and just used two sections so I was roughly 8 feet to the floor. Being 4 hours away from home and two weeks out from opening morning I couldn't really make another trip for repairs. Plus I like toleave my area alone for a couple of weeksprior toopening mornings. The shorter height didn't seem to bother the deer. I got one at 7am the first season and one at about 8:15am the second Illinois season.