ORIGINAL: huntingson
ORIGINAL: Splitear_Leland
ORIGINAL: huntingson
Lastly, in Illinois, if it wasn't for the outfitters, your state would be a joke right now due to the horrible management that the state DNR has done. It has been the outfitters and private land owners keeping that state in the topslot for B&C whitetails.
There you have it everyone, directly from the mouth of an Illinois resident. Unless you hunt with an outfitter you are wasting your money. No need to lease any ground, it all sucks. Just pay an outfitter, they are responsible for the rebound of the whitetail deer in Illinois, the very species that 20 years ago was all but extricated. Then the outfitters being the saviors they are came to Illinois, and said, "this place is a joke!". Then they waved their magic wand and said "let there be deer". And from that moment on Illinois has become one of the most populated, if not over populated deer states anywhere. Give me a break. Try not to believe everything you read in the funny papers dude.
P.S. The abbrev. for Illinois is IL.
First off, Illinois is overpopulated with deer, but that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Wouldn't an overpopulation be another sign that the management practices are not working? Thanks for helping me make my point.
I also said outfitters AND private land owners, which, and correct me if I am wrong, is the land that is leased
I have never heard of a hunter leasing public land, but who knows what you goofy people do
If by funny papers you mean the main publications that release whitetail research studies, then I don't know what to tell you. You are in denial because THE MAN came and stole "your" precious hunting land.
It isn't like I am gaining anything by saying that Illinois management is doing poorly. Do some research and by all means correct me if you find valid information.
One good resource for this is the November 2007 issue of Deer & Deer Hunter.
Lastly, do you hate all outfitters or just white tail outfitters in Illinois? Serious question.
Illinois is what some people would call over populated with deer. This by no means has anything to do with how managment practices are done here in Illinois. It surprises me how an out of stater can read an article, probably written by another out of stater, and all of the sudden is an expert in Illinois deer managment faliure. The biggest reason I can see for an overpopulation is caused by outfitting and out of state leases. If a guy pays $200 an acre on a 100 acre lease that he gets to hunt two weeks out of the year, is said hunter going to do much to cut down on the deer herd on said lease. Probably not, he is probably going to wait for a buck to come by, and if one doesn't, maybe harvest 1 doe before he leaves. Where as in some years past I have harvested over 10 deer in 1 season. Now tell me who is the one helping cut down on overpopulation. So keep reading your "deer research", but until you can give someone who has lived here, and has been around what is going on, someone who hunts Illinois every year, someone who drives to work in Illinois everyday some first hand knowledge of whats going on, not just some biased researsh bullcrap, you probably need to keep your mouth shut.
As far as disapproving outfitters other than those that are affecting me, if they have the same principals, and if they cause the same problems to HUNTERS like myself, I disapprove of them yes. But again, WITHOUT FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, I cannot cast judgement.