ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
ORIGINAL: Splitear_Leland
ORIGINAL: don128
Splitear Leland, Perhaps if there were not any outfitters, and the landowners leased the ground all out to YOU, or your Friends, then would you be exempt from the same crap your talking?, or then will the landowner become a bastard Child of the hunting world? "Complete insanity"
I will never lease ground, nor will I hunt on leased ground. Just the same as most of you will never hunt high fence, I do not agree with it's principals. I refuse to do this not so I can make a statement, I refuse to do it becauseI disagree with doing it. I will someday hopefully be able to buy property, but as long as I am hunting on other landowners, I will let others hunt on my property. I refuse to become part of this epidemic, and shun those of you who take part in it.
As for you outfitters who claim to not do it for the money, WTF! You tell me that, and unless you are not charging for you hunts I will call you a liar.
When I say "lost property" I mean for instance, you hunt a piece of property, and have hunted if for years, and in my case killed your first deer with a bow off of this property. Now this year the landowners says that someone has offerd him $200 an acre for a lease and he couldn't turn it down. He asks you to remove all of your treestands, and tells you that you will not be allowed on his property. Now that is what I mean by losing property to hunt.
Let me get this straight...Unless you can hunt for free on land that someone else worked (probably pretty hard) to pay for, pays taxes on every year and is responsible for insuring every year, you won't hunt it. I guess all the landowners out there should just let you hunt simply because you believe you're entitled to something for nothing? It'sno surprise that the landowners that I know that now lease their property out all have a similar attitude towards the hunters who they used to let on their place. Many farmers I talk to tell of hunters who showed up onlywhen it was time to hunt, took the prime spots and offered not even a thank you in return. No wonder these farmers are eager to lease their ground!
When you get something for nothing, don't expect it to last too long. Someone will come along thats willing to pay their fair share.If you had been giving something of value ( not necessarily money) in return for your hunting priveleges, maybe you wouldn't have "lost" that land that wasn't yours anyway.
I believe you have mistaken what I said, therefore you are not straight. I will hopefully someday buy ground, to hunt, but will let others hunt there as long as I am hunting on other landowners. As far as something for nothing, you have no idea what I do for the landowners that I hunt on, so you can pretty much quit your preaching. I've helped them cut firewood off of their ground, I've helped bale hay, we've even spent $200 dollars and a bunch of time fixing one of the landowners trucks. And I don't do this because they let me hunt, I do it because first of all I like the guys, and second of all, I feel I do owe it to them to help them out, because they help me out by letting me hunt. Then somebody comes along, who none of us know from Adam, waving a bunch of cash in front of the landowners face. I don't blame the landowner for taking it. But if you want to start preaching your greed driven ethics to me, you're wasting your breath. Tell me BT, have you ever lost hunting ground to an outfitter? No, because according to your sig, you are the problem. Tell me, do you see a problem with in the future outfitters controlling hypothetically 90% of the property. Do you see a problem with average joe hunters having to pay thousands of dollars to hunt a deer. It is a "free market" as is said. Well, if that is what hunting is going to come to, an outdoor Wal-Mart, then I will be happy to bow out of the sport. Until then I'll keep speaking out against you guys pimping out wildlife and the sport of hunting.