ha ha, there was definately a lot of trial and error, I won't argue that.

I'm not ready to buy some new sights yet, I love these for some odd reason. the pins could be smaller (but I have a buddy who works at a cnc shop who said he will make me a set for .019 or .009 pins if I ever want them). So I might have him make me five of them. if I ever go to purchase a new sight set I will keep those in mind. thanks.