ORIGINAL: Hokieman
ORIGINAL: NEW61375
ORIGINAL: Hokieman
ORIGINAL: dogger69
Hokieman,
Other than a lot anger, what does your group offer? Surely you are not the selfish group that you are accused of being? I just would like to know what proactive things your group has done to eliminate the problems between landowners, still hunters, picnicers, etc., and hound hunters? If we sit back and refuse to negotiate or offer solutions we will get nowhere, and we will surely loose hound hunting altogether. Just pleaaassseee let me now of something positive, something a little less angry, (like threatening the VDGIF and state government) that your group now offers. I don't see how any hunting club, dog, still, etc. could become a member of your group when you act so irresponsibly. I am as passionate as you about my dogs and my sport, I just believe some of these complaints are real and we need to do more than blame others. What concessions are you and your club willing to accept, and
what newconditions are you asking for? Maybe if we are given Sunday Hunting, there may be more time to hunt and less time to argue. (LOL) I'm not banging on your group, I support it in theory, just a little concerned you are coming off as too militant, not willing to bargain at all? Well let us now what positive things you are doing. Pleeeaaasssee.
LOL, I am not here to bargin on a public forum with a bunch of no matters. We are working on a solution to the problem with people who are involved. anything I say here it appears debateable but it is not. You can't please everyone.
I don't think he really intended for you to bargain, just wanted no know what exactly you guys stood forin regards to hunter relations ona larger scale. If you honestly think we are"no matters" that proves further whyyou should not be speaking for your group. We are simplyhunters in your state askingstraight forward questions about your organization andwe get no straight forward answers and then because of your inability to be clear and say "Hey this is our stance...this is what we hope to accomplish...this is how we feel on this topic and why.....etc" you get frustrated and call us "No matters" and provide even more useless information.
Believe what you will but the "no matters" are gonna be the ones that bite you in the can, it may not be this year or next, butfrom what I have seendisplayed on this thread, if you are a truerepresentative of what the VHDA stands for,it won't take long. Thanks for taking the time to provide us all a 1 sentence response that answered pretty much 0 questions. Keep up the good work.
You answer me these questions. Who was there to support the hunting dog community when all this was and is continuing to go on. I don't see any group of bow, rifle, muzzloader, etc standing with us, why did you assume we would support your Sunday Hunting. Your trash talking to the hunting dog community calling names and making aqusations that include all in their lies about us. Now when the shoe is on the other foot we are to blame, I am one person I can't resolve any issues over a public forum. join our alliance come to a meeting. That was the ideal of my first post not to debate and give details of our agenda to anti dog groups or whiny hunters who hollar foul.
I'm not sure if you meant this for someone else sinceI have not been making accusations or calling names,actually I have been asking you somesimple, to the point questionsbut since you quoted me I will address it.
If the best way you have to answer a question is to talk circles around it and then answer it with a question rather than an answer the VHDA public relations dept. isin big trouble.If we all continue to seperate ourselves into groups we simplyare weakening the whole (bow, dog, muzzleloader, etc.). I have know idea what groups supported you or what groups didn't maybe you could have informed us. But if you think that that justifies you not supporting Sunday Hunting for the average VA outdoorsman(not some group) then I believe your stance is not in line with mine and probably many others. I have never spread any liesnor have I said anything negative about your organization, I have simply asked you some questions about what they fight for and why, too which you have yet to repond, unless you consider calling me a "whiny" hunter a response.
Check my posts I actively support our right to hunt with dogs in VA but that is not all I support as a VA outdoosman. My club is a dog club and we work hand in hand with our local wardens, landowners, and residents to maintain good relationships and present a positive imagein addition to working with other clubs in the areaand communicatingabout the recent dog hunting"study" by the state and upcoming meetings regarding the topic. Does that mean I will blindly followanorganizationbecausetheir name sounds like something Imight support? Of course not.
I agree,there is no sense going round and round, if you didn't want to answer the questions, or couldn't,or preferred that someone else from the group handled them you could have simplyreplied to me"You can contact this person via(phone #, e-mail, etc) or through our websiteand I would have definitely used that option.For now I think I have all of the info I need, thanks andgood luck.
EDIT: See next post.