Is this all going back to the big debate you and GregH. had a week ago about bigger buck and success rate? Just joking with ya Jeff.. I have been down at my dads during hunting season and seen some of the deer killed down there my god are they ever small! Actually there is a camp directly behind his house that is owned by a bunch of guys in Florida. I think the biggest deer I ever seen those guys have was a 100# 4 point! And they thought it was huge.