I figured about the same...I' m really surprised no one even mentioned weaver though. I have heard some great things about the new Grandslam series. Maybe not enogh people have tried them. Outdoor life had a pretty good test and it beat out all Zeiss, Loopy and Bushnell elites. Looks like we have a winner LEUPOLD! I' m sure if we all had $$$ to burn the majority would put Zeiss (VM/V) atop our favorite rifles.[:-] JMHO JDinAB