I think I will go shoot it,I think I can pick the trykon up for $400.00 he wants $450 but I think I can get it for 4 it's brand new in the box,and that's one thing I know hoyt has always been good for is a quiet bow,I know a couple of guys that have them and they love em,but I can buy the instinct for under $270.00 total big difference in the moola and it's a good shooter............Ted