Jeff, I'll tell ya....the problem I have is that these damn eastern's are the most call shy, impossible to call in birds I've ever seen. Every once in a while I'll catch one in the right mood, and he'll all but run me over, but far and away, I give up.....LOL......

I've killed one w/ my bow, and amazingly, I was merely kneeling against a tree....Called 2 in actually, and had to wait for them to be distracted before drawing. Shot that rascal at a scant 5 yards....

Shoot, I can barely get drawn on them in a treestand w/out being spotted. I think they can see straight up without "looking up." Stinkin birds.....