I have shot them out of a traditions tracker 209 and out of my knights and they shot great out of both guns with 80 - 85gr loose 2fg 777 1.25" at 100yds. have taken several deer with them in past years , But the only way to make sure your gun is going to like them is try them for sure. I would start with 70 - 75gr of powder and work up from there. Also that is a super great price on them Better get some more at that price. they run $12.99 to 14.99 around here if you can find them.