thanks guys! I did not mean for any of this to cause an argument (then again i shouldda seen it coming) As said, I have been bowhunting a long time and want a change of scenery. I owuld of course have a top end range finder and do all the practice and everything to assure myself that i can put a bullet where I want it. thanks for all the suggestions, and I will let ya all know what and when i decide on something! thanks again