ORIGINAL: atlasman
ORIGINAL: Germ
ORIGINAL: atlasman
Targeting does is a mistake IMO and a major flaw in any hunting management strategy.
Atlas there are a few Bioliogist you mught want to read about. Kroll is from MI and has seen both sides of it.
Dr. James Kroll
Ed Spin
He's seen us ballon the populations, he's seens us try to wipe it out in area 452. He seen what happen when whitetails over browse an area. He has done some great projects also.
I said hunting management................not population control.
Targeting does to improve hunting quality is pure myth from what I have seen...........buck:doe ratio is borderline meaningless IMO.
After you buy your land, first year membership QDMA is on me
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Well take a look at your location thread
All the states with bigger bucks have few things in common. 1 thing for sure. Doe management
Look at the states who have bigger deer on average how do they differ from NY, MI, and southern states?
They all do a few things well, and Iowa is the best example of them all.
Why do Iowa hunters kill more bigger bucks than Minn? Without a doubt Minn has more and better deer habitat and a lot more. Same for MI and Ohio. So without a doubt proper doe management is a key factor, look at the
locations who do so.
Iowa
Ill
Wis
IN
Ohio
KY
KS
They all do other things to help. For example
Ky -OBR- liberal doe permits and a doe tag
Ill - Gun season after the rut shot gun only - liberal doe tags
Iowa - Gun season after the Rut shotgun only - liberal doe permits(shoot more does than bucks again)
Ohio -OBR - Gun season after rut - liberal doe permit.
IN - New kid on the bock, went to OBR and liberal doe permits
Wis - EAB, liberal doe permits
KS - OBR
Look at some states around these areas. Missouri good hunting, but know where near Iowa.
MI way more deer, no where near Ohio, I can tell you we have way better and more habitat also.
Minn is great state to study. Before the 70's Northern Minn was one of the best hunting
locations. Anyone wonder what happen? In 1972(If I recall) they had a bad winter killed a pile of deer, so they moved the gun season to the rut, and went toa buck harvest management plant. Funny MI did the samething at the same time.
Iowa looked at what Minn was doing and did the opposite.
BTW what the heck did Maine do
http://www.boone-crockett.org/images/whitetailmaps.jpg
I have been keep my eye on NY. Real similar to MI as for hunter numbers to deer go. It won't happen over night. Basing your premise on what you see about doe management is about as logical as saying ScentLok works because deer were down wind from a hunter and did not wind them
The data shows doe management works.
PA 2008 season or 2009 we are going to see members shoot some biggest deer in there life. Look at 2007
How did PA do it? AR and doe management. They switch the doe season from late to during firearm season.
MI and NY have fewer bigger deer not because of location, but the way we hunt. In MI we need Hunter management.
You yourself had stated "NY has plenty of big bucks" Look at those areas and ask why?
Hunter numbers?
Habitat?
better doe management?
I am a QDMAlife member
I won't have to buy any landin MI, but Ohio yes.
QDM whitetails magazine is a great read. Great land management tips.