I used them for several years and then switched to a Team Extreme 3 pin this year that is junk, I broke 2 pins, my brother has one just like it and he broke 1 pin this year. I started out with a Keller, but the aging eyes needed fiber optic, went to a Trophy Ridge V-Drive Mantis, which was OK, just a little big and heavy. I have a Vital Bow Gear Camelback Pendulum on order right now, will do a review on it in time.