I am using a shock Wave 250 gr. and 120 gr. 777 and winchester caps. I had good blood trails with these bullets this year, last year I didn't have very good luck with blood trails using the same set up. This year there was snow and it madea big difference. One of them I don't think I would have found if it wasn't for the snow. I may try Barns 250's if I can find them this year. I live in Mass so no one will send any muzzle loaders or components here so all the catalogs are out. It's no illeagle for them to send them but I guess its just a big hassle for them and they would not want to go through it. We have a new Bass pro shop so mabey I can get them there.