You may want to check out the Sierra Trading Post website. They always have all kinds of packs on sale. I picked up a backpack there lastthat is identical to the Badlands 4500 (not camo though) for around $100. I'm looking for a big day pack, like the Camelback Commando. My current el cheapo day pack is too small, the 4500 is too big, I want the Goldilocks of packs.