deerdragr, I haven' t yet had him officially scored. I put a tape to him though and came up with 143 and some change on the net end. If that is his score or close he' ll make the Illinois Big Buck Recognition Program ( I think), but obviously way short of making the other books. I' m not exactly sure what the long hunters society minimum score is, or if they allow bucks taken by in-line muzzleloaders with 209 primers.