i done a little shooting monday with some 451. xtp fmj. these things fly so stright you can stack bullets. i started with 70grs of 777 from 50 yards out to 100 but after that they ran out of gas and started dropping. so i tried the 150 gr load just to see what would happen. well after about ten shots at differen't ranges and a couple cleanings i tried some long range shots, at 150 yards they fell into the same hole at 200 yardsthe pattern opened up a few inchesat 250 same thing then i really let some air out, a little over 300 yards i was still on paper. at 150yds it dropped 12 inches, at 200 18yds, at 250 i was 34 below and the 300 yd shot dropped right at 54 inches, i shot 5 times at 300 yards with a clean barrel without swabing the first 2 were dead on but the third missed the paper by 2 to 3 inches and the 4 and 5 missed the plywood but i think it was me pulling, to much shooting. i tried some of the 300gr softpoints i have for hog hunting just to see if i could hit the plywood at 300 yds without cleaning no luck. i was using the 777 powder,black mmp sabots xtp bullets and cci primers out of a z5 omega and a shooting vise. i filled a old plastic 5 gal. bucket with creek water and set it behind the plywood targetand hit it at 300 yds. the bullet wentthrough the wood andinto the bucket full of water exploding it into a bunch of parts . the entry holeinto the bucket was a perfect round hole but it didn't hit the other side of the bucket andi couldn't find it in the dirt pile. after reading the post the other day about the 3 deer with one shot made me do this, just for the record muzzle load bullets still pack one heck of a punch even at long ranges so make sure of the background when hunting.the hollow point xtp's i tried at 300 yds just can't match the accuracy of the full metal jackets in the same weight. anyone else ever try the fmj at thetargetrange.