Natchezss.com is whereI get my Noslers... out of my TC Pro-Hnter I shoot the .451 300 grain PP behind three Shockey's Gold Sticks and I'm getting 5/8" 100 yard groups. This bullet has been awesome on whitetails this year for me. If you want a bit lighter bullet and one that is maybe more suited for deer try the 260 grain Partition,,, use a HPH 12 or HPH 24 if you have a tight bore for sabots. For a box of 50 the 300 grain PP's are $50.49 and the 260's are $44.99. The Noslers are in a class by them selfs, don't let the price scare you. Good luck!