i have a traditions deerhunter, with the non adjustable iron sites i average about 6 inch groups at 100 yards with patched roundballs. i' ll tell you one thing, for a ML with a side hammer using a no 11 cap i' ve never had a misfire, even after shooting 6-7 times one right after another without swabbing it out.

got 2 deer with it so far and dropped both on the spot. One of those deer was on opening day last year, never unloaded the gun the year before ...opening day put a cap on and headed in the woods and fired like a champ!

i only paid like a $100 for it and am happy so far.