thanks for the input theres a good story about him i went out one mourning to bow hunt and the blind i sit in had blown over the night before so i went to sit in a gun stand about 40 yards away when i got over there i noticed a fresh scrape rite under the stand so when i went out to hang my doe in heat scent bombs i was hanging the last one up i herd a grunt and it was close but it was just getting light out so i couldnt see anything i back stepped to the stand started climbing the latter got about half way up and i could see a deer at the sents so i waited till he left wich was about a half hour i got up ind the stand used my doe bleat he came back but about 60 yards away and i couldnt shoot thats the last i seen of him untill he showed up a week after gun season ended so i hope he is bigger next season because hes going down also this was the first year bow hunting for me