Soarkrebel No problem like I' ve said in past post I' m just having fun with this thread. Like you have said in past post, what ever machine a person buys the only way it will last is to keep up with the maitenance. I believe that all most any machine made today is going to be ok. I would definatlly put Polaris, Honda, and Yamaha in the top 3. Su-sucky seems to be doing better then they did in the past so maybe in a couple of years they will seem better to me. Now you made me go and say the S word, I' m going to go wash my mouth out with soap[X(]