I picked up 6 boxes of the 285gr version for about $8 a box off ebay just before they quit letting you sell bullets. I had tried them several years ago and they shot well in my gun, about 1.5" at 100 yards. I haven't had a chance to use them on game yet but they should work just fine on deer size animals. Even at $17 for 36 it's still a pretty good deal compared to some other bullets.