Ok, Ok, Guess I got carried away, lol! For just shooting, the XTP's are cheap and shoot very well out of my gun (but i woudn't use them on deer). I know Chap loves the gold dots and from what I can gather, they are quite economical and perform great on game. I keep hearing more and more on the ole cheap shots for targets and deer. Keep looking and shooting, you'll find something you like. Seriously, welcome to the forum. Soapboxes aside, we'll steer you in the right direction. Sorry! Take care, Greg