I went and shot it last night and it runs around 825 out the door bare bow. I will have to admit that I was skeptical when I read all of this stuff about how smooth and quiet it is. I am not one to jump on a band wagon, but I will have to admit that I have not ever shot a bow that has that little hand shock. If you shoot one, I promise it will amaze you. I know all of you guardian and commander owners say there is no way. Just go shoot one. I own a Redhead XP32 so this bow is absolutely amazing. The only thing that I didn't like about it, is the fact that it is slow in comparison. It is noticably slower than even mine. But if I had 800 to shell out, I would have bought it last night. There is that much difference.